Peter Tessier: Trade Byfuglien and Sign Franson Cody Franson could be the player that changes the fortunes for the Winnipeg Jets.

Peter Tessier: Trade Byfuglien and Sign Franson
Cody Franson could be the player that changes the fortunes for the Winnipeg Jets.
- Peter.Tessier

You're really not seeing some obvious flaws with the team if you feel that Franson is going to walk through that door and transform the fate of the squad.

So... Justin Schultz and a 2016 first rounder?

Byfuglien and Franson are not comparable, not even close. Buff is a star, Franson is an averagish no-hands type 2nd pairing guy.

Fancy stats are a joke, don't put that much weight into them.

Franson replace Byfuglien

pease do not sign Franson!! not worth what he will get in terms of money or term. I also do not undersdtand why if we trade Buff we need a D back? I for one like the looks of;

Enstrom / Myers
Chiarot / Trouba
Stuart / Pardy

Harrison/ Postma in press box ( not including Clitsome as he probably will be on long term injuy)

as our top 6 with Morrisey ready to be the first injury call up. I loved how Poolman looked at development camp and yes I realize it was just development camp and also think Kostalek will be an NHL'er in 2 years for sure!!

I think I made it pretty clear that they are not the same player. I also believe I was clear that this was about strategy and not either player. Finally I think I made it clear that other factors should be looked at aside from the data presented.

Franson replace Byfuglien
- Byfuglien Ate Me

While I agree Buff would be tough to trade and I'm not advocating it.

I think the point would be Franson AND the return for Buff would replace Buff.

So... Justin Schultz and a 2016 first rounder?
- freelancer

Would have to be more like Draisaitl and a 2016 first rounder.

Would have to be more like Draisaitl and a 2016 first rounder.
- JetsFan44

LOL wut?

Proposed this in the Hawks blog... what you think?

Bickell/Versteeg/Crawford/Schmaltz

for

Byfuglien/Pavalec/Conditional Picks (Base 1 4th if WPG misses playoffs, 1 3rd if WPG makes playoffs but finishes worse than Chi, 2 3rd if WPG finishes better than Chi).

WPG gets 2 winger who can be used across the 2nd and 3rd lines. They get a substantial upgrade in net. They also get a good prospect in Schmaltz.

CHI gets Byfuglien for 1 year to help the D. some cap space this year to sign Marcus Kruger. Future cap space to extend Seabrook next offseason. A platoon goalie to battle with Darling and middle to decent picks to replace schamltz.

I think it makes sense for both sides... Thoughts?

Franson isn't bad. he's a like a weirdoh's Petry.

oh my

PT gonna be making that MiB money with blogs like these

I think I made it pretty clear that they are not the same player. I also believe I was clear that this was about strategy and not either player. Finally I think I made it clear that other factors should be looked at aside from the data presented.
- Peter.Tessier

I think what is clear is that if this were to happen the Jets are a worse team.

Proposed this in the Hawks blog... what you think?

Bickell/Versteeg/Crawford/Schmaltz

for

Byfuglien/Pavalec/Conditional Picks (Base 1 4th if WPG misses playoffs, 1 3rd if WPG makes playoffs but finishes worse than Chi, 2 3rd if WPG finishes better than Chi).

WPG gets 2 winger who can be used across the 2nd and 3rd lines. They get a substantial upgrade in net. They also get a good prospect in Schmaltz.

CHI gets Byfuglien for 1 year to help the D. some cap space this year to sign Marcus Kruger. Future cap space to extend Seabrook next offseason. A platoon goalie to battle with Darling and middle to decent picks to replace schamltz.

I think it makes sense for both sides... Thoughts?
- gnosox1986

I dont like it for the Jets. I am not familiar with Schmaltz so can not comment but will ask, why am i not familiar?

I think Crawford is better than Pav but by how much? as these are very different teams. I dont want Crawford as he has many years left and the Jets have Hutchinson / Hellybuck and Comrie all ready to compete for starters job as early as this year. Hellybuck looks really good!!

the same reasons you want to trade Bickell and Versteeg are the reasons I wouldnt want them, one maybe but definetly not both. I really only see one spot open on the Jets top 9 with Ehlers, Petan and Armia all competing for it. I'd prefer it goes to one of our kids than Bickell or Versteeg

now if we could have worked something out for Saad that included Buff, I would have been much more interested

Actually if you can sign Franson to a short term (2-3 years) at a decent salary and then move Buf for a young centre like Couturier/Schenn (using Philadelphia as an example) then they should do it.

Obviously it is a trade down on defense but it would be using the assets and cap space to their advantage. Similar to the Pens Sutter trade. Moving a centre with an expiring contract and soon to be higher salary for a replacement, extra asset and pick upgrade then signing Fehr is a brilliant move and if the Jets can do something similar then they should.

I think what is clear is that if this were to happen the Jets are a worse team.
- paulr

Yeah a team that barely made the playoffs shouldn't be trying to get worse, even if it is just a little bit.

Proposed this in the Hawks blog... what you think?

Bickell/Versteeg/Crawford/Schmaltz

for

Byfuglien/Pavalec/Conditional Picks (Base 1 4th if WPG misses playoffs, 1 3rd if WPG makes playoffs but finishes worse than Chi, 2 3rd if WPG finishes better than Chi).

WPG gets 2 winger who can be used across the 2nd and 3rd lines. They get a substantial upgrade in net. They also get a good prospect in Schmaltz.

CHI gets Byfuglien for 1 year to help the D. some cap space this year to sign Marcus Kruger. Future cap space to extend Seabrook next offseason. A platoon goalie to battle with Darling and middle to decent picks to replace schamltz.

I think it makes sense for both sides... Thoughts?
- gnosox1986

With the young goaltending coming for Winnipeg this deal doesn't offer much to them. The Jets are not a cap team so Versteeg and Bickel are bad contracts for them and considering Crawford is not worth breaking the bank why pay both Pavelec AND Byfuglien for him AND cap dumps.

It won't work on any angle IMO.

Proposed this in the Hawks blog... what you think?

Bickell/Versteeg/Crawford/Schmaltz

for

Byfuglien/Pavalec/Conditional Picks (Base 1 4th if WPG misses playoffs, 1 3rd if WPG makes playoffs but finishes worse than Chi, 2 3rd if WPG finishes better than Chi).

WPG gets 2 winger who can be used across the 2nd and 3rd lines. They get a substantial upgrade in net. They also get a good prospect in Schmaltz.

CHI gets Byfuglien for 1 year to help the D. some cap space this year to sign Marcus Kruger. Future cap space to extend Seabrook next offseason. A platoon goalie to battle with Darling and middle to decent picks to replace schamltz.

I think it makes sense for both sides... Thoughts?
- gnosox1986

Man you're a hell of a salesman brother.... lol what makes you think that wpg would just take on 23/29 & their contracts to use them as depth players?? You guys are trying to get rid of BOTH of them, so why would wpg just take them on ? (assuming the whole trade is a wash [wpg gets better goalie, chi gets d help {everyone is happy}]).

Man you're a hell of a salesman brother.... lol what makes you think that wpg would just take on 23/29 & their contracts to use them as depth players?? You guys are trying to get rid of BOTH of them, so why would wpg just take them on ? (assuming the whole trade is a wash
- benjichronic[wpg gets better goalie, chi gets d help {everyone is happy}]).

Chicago doesnt need Byfuglien. Adding him is nice, but thats the cost of giving up Crawford. WPG just got swept by ANA. Dallas got better, LA will be hungry to get back in the playoffs. Both MIN and WPG are going to be on the hot seat to return to the playoffs. Nothing doing anything mean they probably get bounced. They have some good players, but standing still usually means you get left behind.

Chicago does have cap issues. Personally, I like Bickell AND Versteeg in 3rd line roles. Vets who do their job. ANY team could use that. But extending Kruger and Seabrook is ultimately probably more important. Versteeg for 1 year at 2.2. is a fine contract. Bickell at 4 for 2 years is more of bear i'll admit...

Pavelec is a top 20 goalie at best. Crawford is probably 6th or 7th best in the league... 8th or 9th at worst. That upgrade in net and addition of 2 solid role players helps WPG keep pace with the rest of the division/conference IMO. The cap space helps Chicago keep core pieces of their team. This is a true give some, get some trade. Not saying its the perfect deal for either team, but realistically how many trades are the "perfect deal". usually the complete deal is the one where you are left saying, i wish we got more.

Ideally the Hawks trade Bickell for a 7th round pick and get out of that contract, no other questions asked... but that wont happen, so dealing crawford is a way to make that idea realistic.

Hellebuyk is the hang up here. Hutch and Comrie are nice, but Conner looks to be the real deal. He could start the 16-17 season no problems. But if they are paying Crawford, he probably gets pushed back to 17-18. Not sure if WPG would want to wait on him...

Why do people get hung up on Franson is the replacement for Buff? The truth is the Jets have (3) right-handed dmen that one could argue are potential #1, or at worst #2 pairing defensmen on the right side. Myers, Trouba and Buff is a position of depth and strength. So YES if Franson replace Buff it would be a downgrade , but a vere acceptable one if we land the right forward and draft pick.

I think Buff to the Easter Conference makes the most sense to me. Give me Jeff Skinner and Carolina's 1st rd in 2016 and I will drive Buff to the airport.

I admire your admiration for Byfuglien! Looking forward to having a beer with you one day

However like Ladd, Byfuglien plays a hard game. Both were injured during the season, with Byfuglien having a dislocated rib. Byfuglien is very marketable and could fetch the Jets a nice return.

If there was a position called rover in hockey, Byfuglien would definitely be my guy. I think with the Jets already having Trouba and Myers on the right side with Postma/Harrison filling in on the third pairing is a solid top 3 right sided d.

If I am looking at moving Byfuglien, I am looking at a team with lots of left sided D to do a deal with.

Just my thoughts.....

I think Buff to the Easter Conference makes the most sense to me. Give me Jeff Skinner and Carolina's 1st rd in 2016 and I will drive Buff to the airport.
- jjonah

I bet... which is why it wont happen...

If its the exact trade you want... its not realistic. lol Carolina will have enough work to do replacing Skinner... let alone giving up a #1 pick.

Unwritten Rule for the Jets:
Never take a Leaf reject !
(Antropov, Wellwood, Ponikarovsky, Harrison, Stapleton, Tlusty)

Just say no to Franson. Nashville, and Toronto gave up on him, so why would anyone else want him? He's a depth guy, that doesn't bring a lot to the table. He skates, and shows an offensive side now, and again, but doesn't really excel at any one thing. With a small pool of D-men to choose from, I guess he is a stand out...lol. Thus, where there is a demand for a certain type of player, there is a gullible GM waiting to pay the price; just use my team the Flyers as an example of doing this in the past. However, with Hexy at the helm, I think that we may be able to turn this ship around.
Good luck to whomever signs Franson; you must really need a D-man, and don't have anyone in the AHL to bring up.